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Sep 16 2006, 12:39 AM
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Appetite for Destruction
        
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Duff 5 Şubat 1964'de Seattle, Washington'da dünyaya geldi.5 erkek ve 3 kız kardeşin en küçüğüydü. Adları; Jon (QFC gıda zincirinin mağaza müdürü), Carol, Mark, Bruce (Seattle'daki Muzak Corp'un genel müdürü), Joan Shelton, Claudia Christiansen ve Matt (Lindero Ortaokulu'nda müzik öğretmeni) Babasının adı Elmer fakat Mac ismiyle tanınırdı; annesinin adı ise Alice Marie. Duff'ı basla tanıştıran kişi kardeşi Bruce'du.
Gençken gerek baterist gerekse gitarist olarak 31 grupla çaldı ve en sonunda L.A'e taşınınca basla devam etti. Bu 31 gruptan birkaçı şöyleydi: The Fastbacks, The Fartz and 10 Minute Warning.
19 yaşındayken Los Angeles'a taşındı. Bir gazetedeki basçı ilanına cevap vererek Canter's'da Slash ve Steve ile tanıştı. Ve 1985'te GUNS N' ROSES doğdu.
Genel olarak punk müziğin ve Sex Pistols'dan Sid Vicious'ın büyük bi hayranıydı.
1990 yılında Duff ve Slash birlikte şarkılar yazdılar ve Iggy Pop'ın "Brick by brick" albümünde birkaç şarkıda çaldılar.
İlk defa 28 Mayıs 1988'de Mandy Brix ile evlendi. Mandy, Los Angeles'da bir Japon restoranında garsondu. 1990'da ayrıldılar. Duff 1992'de ikinci evliliğini Linda Johnson'la gerçekleştirdi ve daha sonra Eylül 1995'de boşandılar.
1994'te pankreası patladı ve Seattle'da bir hastaneye yatırıldı ve sağlığı için alkolü bırakmak zorunda kaldı. Doktoru bir kere daha içerse öleceğini söyleyince Duff'ın seçme şansı kalmamıştı ve alkolü tamamıyla bıraktı.
1995'te Slash'le ve Slash'in yeni grubu "Snakepit" ile birlikte çalışmaya başladı. Birlikte aynı zamanda Mayıs 95'te Snakepit'in Palace'taki şovu sırasında da canlı çaldığı "beggers and hanger's on" adlı şarkıyı yazdılar. Daha sonra "Neurotic Outsiders"'ı kurdu. Los Angeles'da bazı klüplerde çaldılar ve 1996'da Amerika turnesine çıktılar. 98 ve 99'da da klüplerde çalmaya devam ettiler. Eylül 1996 çıkışlı "Neurotic Outsiders" adlı bir albümleri var. Daha sonra "Duff Mckagan's Black Dog", "10 Minute Warning" ve son dönemde "Loaded" gibi farklı gruplar oluşturdu.
Aynı zamanda Izzy Stradlin'in albümlerinde de yer aldı.
Duff aynı zamanda 1997'de oyunculuğu da denedi. Mayıs 97'de yayınlanan tv dizisi "Sliders"ın bir bölümünde yer aldı. 27 Ağustos 1997'de Susan Holmes'dan ilk çocuğu Grace dünyaya geldi. 28 Ağustos 1999'da evlendiler ve 16 Temmuz 2000'de ikinci çocukları Mae Marie dünyaya geldi.
Duff 1994'ten 1999'a kadar Los Angeles ve Seattle'da yaşadı çünkü annesi Parkinson hastalığıyla savaşıyordu ve onunla birlikte olması gerektiğini hissetti. 99 Nisan'ının sonlarına doğru annesi hayata veda etti ve o zamandan beri Duff Seattle'da yaşıyor.
Duff ayrıca 2000'de "Mad for racket", daha bilinen adıyla "The Racketeers" adlı bir grup daha kurdu ve Kasım 2000'de Londra'da çaldılar. Fakat Duff, o şovda çalmadı.
2001'de Loaded ile tekrar geri döndü ve şu an Seattle'da klüplerde çalıyorlar.
Ayrıca 2001'de Hawaii'de bir maraton düzenledi. Ağustos 2001'de Loaded, Izzy Stradlin'in yeni albümü "River"'ın Japonya turnesinde de yer aldı.
En sevdiği şarkı: I don't care about you Sevdiği gruplar: AC/DC, Fear, Led Zeppelin, Robert Plant, Kiss, Metallica, Faith No More En sevdiği müzisyen: Robert Plant En sevdiği şehir: Seattle En sevdiği Aktör: Jerry Lewis En sevdiği Aktrist: Marilyn Monroe En sevdiği film: A Clockwork Orange En sevdiği yemek: İtalyan mutfağı En sevdiği spor: Futbol, golf Yapmaktan hoşlandıkları: Bara gitmek ve uyumak Bir kızda aradığı özellikler: Sarışın olması En sevdiği kitap: Sean Huston'dan Slugs Gittiği ilk konser: Led Zeppelin Sevdiği ilk gruplar: Led Zeppelin ve Kiss Former Occupation: Yemek yapmak En sevdiği Tv programı: Televizyon izlemiyor Önceki grupları: Roadcrew, The Fartz, 10 Minute Warning and other 30 back in Seattle Kullandığı sigara: Camel ve Marlboros Tercih ettiği içki: Votka ve bira Arabaları: 88'de Jeep Wrangler with 4-speed overdrive, 89'da Corvette, 95'te BMW 5.25I , 97'de 7.40I Telefon sekreter mesajı: You've reached the McKagan residence. Please leave a message at the tone. Gitarları: 6. Fender en sevdiği fakat aynı zamanda Kramer'i var Bir buluşmada yapmaktan hoşlandığı: Bara gitmek Turne boyunca en sevdiği şey: Bedava içkiler Turne boyunca en sevmediği şey: Uykusuzluk
Yazı: Nightrain_
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At one point I'm pretty sure I sold a woman. I didn't speak the language but I shook a guy's hand, he gave the keys of a Mercedes, and I left her there.
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Sep 21 2006, 09:35 AM
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elçonun ozası
        
Grup: Yönetici
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Katılım: 1-July 06
Nereden: Mabed
Üye No: 12

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buna bir de özel gibson bass yapılmıştı, bir türlü ısınamadı ona. halbuki tipi çok güzeldi.
bu arada kardeşi de , matt sanırım, gnr konserlerinde ve kayıtlarında sax çalmıştır.
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Elçoşkom sen benim herşeyimsin.
GNR-STONES-PISTOLS-LED ZEP-ALICE COOP-QUEEN-BLUE ÖYSTER CULT-DURAN DURAN-NEUROTIC OUTSIDERS-FAITH NO MORE-BODY COUNT-ELTON-BOWIE-SKID-RHCP-'DETH-'MENT-FEAR-BLACK FLAG-MISFITS-DIRE STRAITS-DEF LEP-GILBY-ZEKİ MÜREN-MÜZEYYEN SENAR-AHMET KAYA-SELİM ÖZTÜRK-BORA DURAN-ARAP ŞÜKRÜ-NESRİN SİPAHİ-ÜMİT BESEN,
ALPARSLAN HAN-CALVIN-LARRY RICHARD-LARRY BIRD-SIR CHARLES-HAKEEM-PETE WILLIAMS-MITCH SMITH-CAN SONAT-İBRAHİM KUTLUAY-COMEGYS-TURNER-MILIC-CONRAD-AYDIN "THE GOD" ÖRS-DAMIR-MİRSAD-ONAN-WILLIE THE KING-LEBRON JAMES-DIRK NOWITZKI-EKATERINA GAMOVA-PELİN ÇELİK-ARSLAN EKŞİ-SEDA TOKATLIOĞLU-OSMOKROVIC-EDA ERDEM-SERAP YÜCESİR-CAPPIE-BİRSEL VARDARLI-NEVRİYE "ASLA YILMAZ,ASLA YIKILMAZ" YILMAZ, PENNY TAYLOR,
VEDAT MİLOR,DEXTER,LOST,FARSCAPE,BABYLON 5,SIMPSONS,SOUTH PARK,BATTLESTAR GALACTICA,
RULEZ.
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Feb 9 2007, 02:26 PM
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MAC Adventure
        
Grup: Yönetici
İleti: 1,929
Katılım: 20-August 06
Nereden: Terra Nova
Üye No: 423

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Baktım, girdiği bölüm Seattle Üniversitesi / Finans. Ve mezun olmasına 1 dönem kala VR başladığı için bırakmak zorunda kalmış.
Tekrar editledim: Duff okulu online olarak bitirdi.
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Fame & Fortune: Duff McKagan
Rocker hides in plain sight getting money-smart
By Larry Getlen
One day not long ago some ambitious business student sat in an accounting class at Seattle University next to a lanky, short-haired guy named Michael and likely had no idea that his classmate was a true legend of rock 'n' roll.
That's because when Duff McKagan, the bass player for Guns N' Roses, decided to return to school after he finally got sick of Axl Rose's shenanigans, he didn't publicize it. He cut his hair, went by his real name, and kept it low key, concentrating on getting his degree instead of living off his fame.
Of course, Duff had already lived the rock 'n' roll dream many times over. Guns N' Roses came into the '90s as the most popular rock band in the world. Their debut, "Appetite for Destruction," eventually sold more than 20 million copies worldwide. In 1991, when they took the extraordinary step of releasing two separate studio albums on the same day, "Use Your Illusion I" and "Use Your Illusion 2", they soared to the top two spots on the Billboard charts. In the midst of this success came excess: drugs, women, controversy, public urination, cursing on live television, and all of the accouterments and abuses that came with his rock-star status. The band members wrestled with various drug addictions, and the band self-destructed soon after. McKagan's drug abuse was so severe that his pancreas exploded, causing third-degree burns inside his intestines and stomach.
But today McKagan is clean, healthy, financially astute and once again sitting atop the rock pile. His new band, Velvet Revolver, features two of his Guns N' Roses band mates -- guitarist Slash and drummer Matt Sorum -- as well as guitarist Dave Kushner and ex-Stone Temple Pilots vocalist Scott Weiland. The band's debut release, "Contraband," premiered at No. 1 on the Billboard charts.
Bankrate spoke to McKagan about his detour into academia, and how it has influenced his handling of his rock-star finances.
Bankrate: What propelled you to go back to college for a finance degree?
Duff McKagan: Finance is very interesting. It's almost like history -- well, it is history, looking at the cyclical things, looking at presidents and what happened the year they were re-elected. If you would have kept your money in 1929, during the crash, you would have tripled it in the following three years if you kept your stock. The same thing with Black Friday in 1987.
Bankrate: Have you always been into finance, or did this come out of the blue?
Duff McKagan: What happened was, after I left Guns, I got sober, and I had all this time on my hands. I started kick-boxing and riding mountain bikes. Nothing was really going on with the band, so I started going through all our financial statements, files and files and files of them. And they didn't make sense. I couldn't find a bottom line. So I took a general business class where they taught you how to read financial statements, and I found out that the statements really didn't make sense. We didn't get ripped off, they were just misleading. Then I took a securities class, and the professor said, you know, you're really good at this, you should pursue this. So I bought a house in Seattle and got into Seattle University, which was pretty good for someone who didn't graduate high school. I went for almost four years. I was a quarter away from getting my bachelor's degree, but then this band started. But I learned a lot. I have an accounting minor, and I learned the meat and potatoes of what you've got to know to get around in this business, and a lot more about my personal finances. I'm real happy with the knowledge I gained for my own sake.
Bankrate: Did the other people in your classes know who you were?
Duff McKagan: Well, I cut off all my hair and I really wanted to be anonymous. I went in as Michael McKagan. People started finding out, but it's such a tough school. Kids are coming from pretty highbrow high schools and they're really smart, and the school's pretty tough, so you're on the edge of your seat every class. Sometimes kids would bring Guns N' Roses records for me to sign, but they were pretty respectful, which was cool.
Bankrate: Do you have a larger hand in managing both your own money and the band's money than you used to?
Duff McKagan: My own money I definitely do. The band's money, we have a good business manager, although I had to show our production manager how to use Excel. But everything's always a band decision. People might ask me questions, but, I'm not going to ... there's a fine line. People know I have the knowledge, but I'm not going to try to dictate, this is good, this is not good. It's mainly tax issues. You go from state to state, there are different tax structures, and then you go overseas, and there are different tax structures over there. That's the main thing you have to deal with. Make sure people get paid, not overpaid or underpaid, that type of thing.
Bankrate: Now that you've been through this education, what is the biggest difference in the way you handle your own money?
Duff McKagan: I always handled it pretty well, even when I didn't know what the hell I was doing. I got a guy at Dean Witter back in '95. I interviewed all these guys from different companies, and they were talking a lingo I didn't understand whatsoever. I knew one guy was full of b------- when he said, 'We're a firm that's sensitive to the artist.' I'm like, money and artists have nothing to do with each other. He just tried to cozy up with me. Just because I didn't know about securities and stocks and bonds and real estate didn't mean I was stupid. So I went with a guy that one of my older brothers knew, and I've done well with that. Made a couple of good investments with a strip mall in Orange County and a medical center, and personal properties all over the place. It's all about real estate.
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Feb 9 2007, 02:31 PM
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MAC Adventure
        
Grup: Yönetici
İleti: 1,929
Katılım: 20-August 06
Nereden: Terra Nova
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Duff McKagan
Sitting in class, Michael "Duff" McKagan is just another SU business student—one with a few more years on him than some of his fellow undergrads, maybe, though the yards of tattoos and bleached tips give nothing away.
There is no overstating the importance of this anonymity. Were they a few years older, he knows, they might see him for what he was instead of who he is today.
And what Duff McKagan was was a phenomenon. As bass player for Guns N' Roses, arguably the most successful hard rock band of the late '80s and early '90s, Duff rocked nightly to tens of thousands of screaming fans, sold millions of recordings, earned music awards and tabloid headlines and repeatedly circled the world.
By the time he officially left GNR in 1997, Duff was a different man: clean, married, a new father. And when he relocated his family from Los Angeles to an elegant Seattle home, Duff began mulling over some long-held plans.
"My mom always wanted me to be a lawyer, and my Uncle John graduated from SU in '48," he says. "And in the back of my head, I knew I always wanted to further my education."
Though he had achieved professional and financial success of the kind few people—particularly musicians—will ever know, Duff was cowed by the prospect of facing college admissions officers. A high-school dropout, he earned his GED before signing up for a handful of classes at Seattle Central Community College, then applying to SU last fall.
"Business is a natural for me," he explains. "I'm still a principal in GNR Corp., we still sell a million CDs a year. It's something that seems practical to me."
Ultimately, he says, he'd like to earn an MBA, maybe work for a corporation. "Why not?" he asks. "I've been in a band, I understand working as a team. There's probably an accountant downtown somewhere who's dreaming about being a rock star. But I've already done that.
"I've grown up a lot in the last year, intellectually. For me, this is like a dream."
This story originally appeared under the title Varying Degrees of Success in the Summer 2001 issue of Seattle University Magazine.
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Feb 9 2007, 02:34 PM
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MAC Adventure
        
Grup: Yönetici
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Katılım: 20-August 06
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Classic Rock Duff McKagan Interview Classic Rock October 2002 SMOKIN' GUN - After the drugs and alcohol-fuelled craziness of Guns N' Roses, it's been a long hard road back to normality for their ex-bassist. Now Classic Rock talks to Duff McKagan about life after GN'R - and the prospect of doing it all over again. Under no illusions: Jon Hotten
There was a time when a half an hour on the phone with Duff McKagan would have been a wearing proposition. For some years at the peak of his fame he was, in his own words, 'willfully fucked up'. So it's a heartening surprise that the funny, loquacious dude chatting away at the other end of the line in Smog Angeles is indeed the ex-GN'R bassist. Like his former and now current again partner in grime Slash, Duff has been through a hell of his own creation and come up smiling.
His latest band, Loaded, have a new album called 'Dark Days', but by the time we speak it already sounds old hat. Duff has hooked up with Slash and Matt Sorum again, and they're looking for a singer to fill some big ol' shoes. He's returning, professionally at least, to L.A., his city filled with ghosts. He expects to encounter some unfinished business there.
Let's not pretend to be too interested in Loaded. Like many of the records issued by former members of GN'R, it's a solid piece of work that exists in the shadows of one of rock'n'roll's defining moments. I know it, you know it, and Duff knows it, too. And with the hint of a reunion of sorts on the cards, it's a time to look forwards.
Nonetheless, 'Dark Days' is an appropriate title. While original drummer Steven Adler is GN'R's most obvious casualty, each one of the original five has gone through trauma of one kind or another: Izzy Stradlin is back in Indiana after throwing the heroin monkey off his back; Slash has recently bade farewell to uncle Jack; Axl Rose, reclusive and unhinged, is the Howard Hughes of rock'n'roll; McKagan, too, was wholly freaked out by stardom and what came with it. He moved to Seattle, his home town, and went back to college to major in accountancy.
"The Guns thing always seemed slightly unreal," he begins, as if articulating the thought for the first time. "I was never quite comfortable. It never quite felt like real life. I came from a far humbler place, we all did. I'd never felt that I constantly had to be the centre of attention, but I was. I didn't move out of LA because Guns finished, I had a house in Seattle already - that was real life to me." When he called Axl and informed him that GN'R - already without Izzy, Slash and Adler - was no longer the deal that he'd signed up to, he knew that he couldn't stay in LA. The city was like a big ol' drink perched on a bar right in front of him, and Duff had fought hard to get himself sober. "I don't think: 'Oh, this city has all this shit that nearly killed me'," he says. "I have a lot of great friends here. But when I got sober I couldn't drive down the streets in LA without thinking: 'That's a drug dealer's house there, that's a drug dealer's place...' I had to get away from that when I was sober. I'd earned the right to not be there." He pauses for a second, maybe unsure about committing his next thought to tape. "What LA came to represent for me was that attitude of 'keep them on the road, get them whatever they want, just keep them out there making their money.' That is what LA is. When it was ripping the band apart, I remember thinking to myself: 'This is hell.' We weren't the first band to go through it. We knew the stories, we'd read them. We knew it was happening.
There was a signpost on the way to this West Coast perdition. The name carved on it was Steven Adler. Adler has been totally straightforward about the drug-induced strokes and heart attacks that have left him physically wrecked.
"We were saying to him, 'Steven, you're fucked up," Duff recalls. "We said: 'Me and Slash, we're fucked up, but you're really fucked up'. I remember saying to him: 'If me and Slash think you're fucked up, think about who's saying that...'
"But look at me. Look at pictures of me from '87 to '94. I started out as this thin rock dude, and by the end I looked like Elvis in his later years. Why didn't anybody say anything?"
Nobody did, and Duff carried on drinking until his pancreas exploded.
"It was 1994," he recalls. "I had stopped drinking vodka, but in a fucked up way I'd replaced it with 20 bottles of whine a day. I mean, I thought I was cutting down. I was taking Quaaludes, anything to bring me down. And one day I had a pain right under my sternum. I thought it gas pains. It felt like someone sticking a knife in me. And I remember my best friend came round. He could always come without knocking, and I heard him downstairs, but I couldn't get out of bed. He got me to hospital. Sometimes, just before you die, they'll stick a knife in you just to relieve the pressure and the pain. I wasn't quite that bad, but I was in hospital for 10 days."
"I was on Librium for the DTs, the delirium tremors. That got rid of the withdrawal. They wanted me to go to rehab, but I just felt that I'd had enough. I didn't want any more alcohol."
"At that time I started getting into kick boxing, and I found a martial art that I loved. More than anything, it taught me to think sober. It changed the way I thought about things. I started washing my clothes. I cleaned my house. I went to the grocery store. It was real life, little things. I did the martial art twice a day."
"Then I went back to dealing with Axl, and I realized I just didn't need it anymore. It was just me and him. Slash had left, Izzy had left. It wasn't the same band, and I just thought: 'What's the point?"
McKagan remained in Seattle and, in a move reminiscent of John Major's famous decision to run away from the circus and join the Tory party, he became a finance major at college. But his classmates felt when a former member of GN'R walked through the door and plonked books down on the nearest empty desk remains unrecorded, but McKagan had found a 'raison d'etre' again. "Back when the band started, we all came from humble backgrounds. We got our first cheques for forty grand and it was like, whoah!" he says. "We'd been living on a hundred bucks a week. None of us had seen anything close to that before. Then the next cheque came, and then the really big cheques came, and they just kept coming. We didn't know what anything was, what anything was for.
"It was only later that I started tying it all together. I started wanting to know: 'Okay, the interest rates have just gone up half a percent, what does that mean for a mortgage? How does that affect my bonds?'
"I'd like to write a book for musicians about that," he says, warming to his theme. "Explain what a royality rate is, what a yield is, so that they know and don't get ripped off so much. It's not that it's not cool to know that stuff, you just don't understand it, so you cover up and pretend that you do. You can't let on. It's terrifying. You start out and you hand everything over to managers and accountants, and you hope that there's something left at the end."
Belatedly, he was dealing with the disorientating effects of overwhelming success.
He was married, had young daughters, and came to appreciate the beauty of the simple things in life. And only after he'd done so did the real desire to make music of his own return. He dallied briefly with Steve Jones of the Sex Pistols, before regathering himself.
"I was doing my finance major, and I was playing with some guys in my spare time. I had a bunch of songs and I was laying them down in this little studio, called Jupiter Studios, in Seattle. It's run by this guy called Martin Feveyear, who's from Sussex. He kept telling me it was going to work. He helped me find my voice. He encouraged me and pushed me, and it worked without me really trying. "I started working with Geoff Redding. I played guitar and he played drums, and I laid bass over the top. It was a real simple process. I had two kids, I was going to school, and I just put things around that. The next thing I knew, the record was done. That was the killer. It was an organic thing. I had fifteen or sixteen songs. We went out and played in Japan. It rocked. It was cool."
One of the first songs he wrote was 'Seattlehead', the aggressive tune that opens 'Dark Days'. "That's about what LA came to represent, rather than what it is," he explains. "I still have an appartment in LA, I still love to come here. It's a great place to visit. Those sentiments come from that. It also made me realize that I can't just stop and go to school. I need to have some form of expression, and I always will do. It's definitely a step forwards. I didn't have to make a record. Shit, I didn't have to do anything..."
Nonetheless, he has done. Along with the Loaded record and the short tour that will accompany it, he's been jamming with Slash and Matt Sorum for most of the year. It has slowly become a priority for all of them. They've gone so far as to retain Pete Angelus as their manager. Angelus, a man who embodies the epithet 'a character', has managed David Lee Roth and the Black Crowes.
"We've written a bunch of songs," McKagan explains. "That's why I have an apartment down here [in LA]. We've auditioned a couple of singers, names you'd know [one was Joshua Todd of Buck Cherry]. They didn't quite work out. We know that whoever comes in is going to have to be the master of what he does. He's going to have to be able to ride out the comparisons, he'll have to make it his own. We don't know him yet, but we will. We're going to spend the summer finding someone. I'm coming over to play the Loaded record in Europe in the first two weeks in September. Slash's wife is having a baby then, so it's a good time to do that. Then we'll get back to what we're doing."
What does yours and Slash's thing sound like? "I don't know what anybody would expect from me anymore. It's hard and fast. We know that we can't de-tune and do that stuff. We have to be who we are, and what we were in GN'R. It doesn't sound like GN'R, but we're not going to pretend that we weren’t there."
In imparting this information, McKagan remains so relaxed as to be almost horizontal. He doesn't flinch at all, even when the inevitable question arrives: what about this GN'R-reunion, then? After all, you're two-thirds of the way there.
"Slash is having a baby. It's changed him so much already. I have two daughters, a beautiful wife, and a house. So any kind of reunion would have to be a real relaxed, family-type affair, like it was in the beginning. I talk to Izzy all the time, see him around. So does Slash. We're friends. It's not worth screwing that up. You know, Izzy had to leave last time to save his life. He got clean of heroin, and he had to get out..."
So the story that some big-name manager or other has got the five of you in therapy to get you back together...
"Hey, I heard that!" He allows himself a long chuckle. "If it's happened, nobody told Slash. I asked Izzy, and nobody had told him. I think it's just some big manager saying: 'I can get them back together. I'll get them in therapy and go from there.' There have been a couple of offers tabled for the reunion tour. We're not talking about it right now. I'm not saying in two years time or three years time I won't be talking to you about the reunion tour, but not right now."
Could you stand it?
"We went through so much," he concludes. "I mean, not like war or anything, but a lot. There are things that I can only talk to them about. Things that not even my wife, who I sleep with every night, knows, because she wouldn't understand that stuff. It was pretty heavy stuff. The Loaded album deals with that. It's a little snapshot of a guy's life. A guy who's talking about life after seeing some pretty heavy stuff. I mean, in my 20s they were pretty fucking intense."
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